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 Post subject: How many have been made?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:14 am 

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I've had this idea before but now I'm working on a pretty high volume batch of led lcd TV's and the thoughts come up again, just how many of these are there? I'm sitting on close to a dozen pallets, I just counted a speedrun pile at 25 units, so I'm estimating somewhere in the 1000+ area, but the bigger question, how many in the world? I found numbers estimating 200 million flatscreens manufactured in 2018, if that's been roughly consistent for the past 20 years that's in the area of 4-5 billion, but what fraction of those have reached end of life? Cell phones it's more like 20 billion units worldwide since 2000 (which makes me seriously question why I find so few) anyone thought of the escrap market volume in these terms before?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:38 pm 
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I’ve seen similar numbers in places as well. But the flat screen numbers only count displays; monitors and TVs. They don’t include input devices like industrial displays and POP/POS units. These cross over with some desktop replacement tablets starting in the 10” range and up to 45 inches or so. So add another 500-600 million per year since the early 2000s.
In reality there’s probably around 1 billion screens made each year that exceed ten inches.
I don’t think anyone knows an actual number on creation per year since every company rounds figures. And when your in the many many millions round by a few thousand is acceptable.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:48 pm 
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Cell phones rarely end of life.
Why you don’t see them is also an easy answer. Single sales are easy. And! Everyone collects them for free. The cell dealer takes old ones for free. The big box store has a free drop bin. Hardware stores collect them for free. Local governments have free drop off boxes. Amazon accepts them for free. The postal service has free mailing envelopes for recycling them. Etc etc etc etc.

To find where they go you need to look in the right places. Dell has a program with many donation centres like good will and Salvation Army. Like other computer companies they transfer them to a refurb company who donates them in other countries where the frequency tech is still usable.

Truly damaged ones wind up sold in bulk. A few hundred to a few thousand at a time.
Even there what is dead to a large business is still well worth refurbishment to a smaller company or person.
Which is why tens of thousands of analog phones show up on ebay each year. And often sell.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:43 am 

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Funny, I was having this discussion with my wife earlier in the week about what is old becomes new again, if anybody is familiar with the expression.
It's crazy the number of not just modern stuff, but vintage stuff that gets thrown out regularly, scrapped, disposed of at the transfer station, etc.
Point is: everyone owns VHS tapes and there's no place to buy VCR's anymore (and to some extent, the dreaded Betamax). Everyone owns vinyl records, but until very recently, there were no new turntables available. Go down the list: rotary phones, film cameras, even Hi-8 recorders. Heck, people are even starting to pay CRAZY money for tv's from the 80's specifically to play NES and 2600 consoles. VCRs are going for $25 each all day. It's a strange world we live in, but supply and demand is still very real. Keep this stuff if you find them.

On a different note and more along the lines of the original topic, it's heartbreaking the stuff that gets shipped to places like Africa and India, there are whole regions that are completely destroyed by the hazardous effects of dealing with e-waste. There are areas the size of Rhode Island that look like Hiroshima in 1945 within these areas. Scary, quite frankly.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:58 am 
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No no no... you’re totally misunderstanding my comment. Places like Africa and India still have active analog networks. They don’t scrap the phones: they USE them.
I keep a 1996 Motorola brick flip just incase I need guaranteed service in one of those countries some day.
Far more reliable than satellite phones.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:05 am 
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Don’t get me going on VHS! ;)
I own more tapes than any blockbuster store ever had on hand.
Finding a tested working VHS player for $25 flat is a bargain these days. You see; as we keep advancing some people realise we already had the best a while back.
Betamax? By far leaps and bounds beyond any VHS tape (I have quite a few) but too expensive for me to be looking for on any real level.
Type III players will set you back hundreds and tapes are god awful expensive!
I have two beta players. A II and a III.
You can take my Car. My house. Even my cell phone (gasp). I’ll fight to the death before you take my beta players. And I promise and swear I will find a way to come back from the dead for it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:04 am 

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I admire your dedication and love for Sony Betamax, Lost.
I will admit that the quality was far superior. And it just looks badass with that toploading door. I'm not sure if I would load the 12 gauge if someone broke in and tried walking out with it though lol.
I have an extra one here for you if you ever need! I also recently acquired a few CRVdiscs in a dropoff. Weird stuff.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:49 pm 
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CRV or CVD?
CVD is China video disc and they are expensive.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:05 pm 

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Hey, seeing as how I have to beta fans here. I recently cleared out some old control racks and got these 2.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:14 pm 
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Good god! A 1600! CHA—CHING!
The 1800 will fetch 50+ untested. A few hundred if it works.

The 1600 is very rare. I can’t find any that sold but listings tend to be $500 range and up to the thousands.
If they work you have a hell of a pay day with that set. Four digits easy! Hell the damn manual for a 1600 of the fetches over $100
Like Apple, Atari, and commodore equipment collectors use manuals to fill the spot for a dream item.

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